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  Ray Franz - Why The Watchtower Cannot Reform

  by Anna Marina in

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  this is me reading a letter ray kindly sent to me in 2008 explaining why the watchtower was not capable of reform.

  the letter is full of wisdom and is very informative.. ray franz's letter to me - why the watchtower cannot reform.

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  Hi Half Banana - not only have I got responses, they became friends and I still visit. The same is true of Christine who I also made a video of, she has kept up friendships with some she studied with.

  One response in particular stands out to me. One of my calls said, "I used to explain to my family, she's the one who THINKS she's a Jehovah's Witness, but she's not really." Apparently she said that to them for years.

  Another said, "well you were never like them." So you see, they have no sense that I have changed my loyalties, they just wonder what on earth made me imagine I was a Jehovah's Witness.
  

  A fair few have come out of my ex-cong and we are all together scratching our heads at what we've been through. I reckon there a queue of others just lining up to come out and scratch their heads with us. :)

  Hi Slimboyfat - would running out of money make a difference? Maybe but what do they need money for if they have mind control? They have land and labour. Also they shift money around. They could claim to have no money in one country and have loads in another. Ray said to me that it was wishful thinging to imagine they'd reform, if there was no sign they were doing so. I guess that's the key point - there is no sign of them doing so. Not as an organsation. Individuals may reform. But if the reform is honest, that is in line with Christian truth, they get kicked out because then they are at odds with the organisational structure which does not support Christian truth.
  

  Charles Davis said the Catholic Church would need to change their identity to reform because the framwork was too rigid to allow proper reform.
  
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  The real dividing line isn’t between apostates and apologists it’s between...

  by slimboyfat in

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  excellent observation from zizek about communist regimes: they didn’t care if people accepted the ideology or took it seriously, so long as people acted as if the ideology was true, that was the important thing.

  in fact the regimes were deeply suspicious people who took the ideology too seriously.

  people who took the ideology seriously were dangerous because they were prone to noticing the inconsistencies and flaws in the system.

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  I have this belief that the number three is the number three and not the number eleven. I got df'd for it.

  That article about not learning Hebrew and Greek was read to me by David Sidbury at London Bethel when I asked if they'd be developing a web site that would hold different versions of the Bible including Greek and Hebrew. He told me it'd be far too expensive. Pah. Now look, they've got a massive web site and broadcasting thing set up.

  I am grateful that at least he didn't pull out a Kingdom Ministry telling me I shouldn't learn elementary maths.
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  Hypocritical Tyndale video

  by neat blue dog in

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  at a recent midweek meeting, a short documentary about translator william tyndale was shown.

  it begins with this statement about his death:.

  "his crime?

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  When I got df'd, someone said of me, 'you've been Tyndaled.'

  As others have said, you can't help thinking that if we were in the 1500s the congregations would be stirred up to do unthinkable things to us. I know the members of the WT say they would not get involved in carrying arms etc. But I know an elder who was very keen to kill people in this system of things. He used to say this from the platform until he was told not to. I think he is still an elder and imagine he still expresses that belief to this day.
  

  I was df'd for saying 1914 was wrong. He wasn't df'd for what he said and I told London Bethel what he was saying. So what did they do? They sent my letter to him. Then they sent my letter to his friend in a sister congregation (of my ex-cong).
  

  Then, that elder who privately confessed to me that 50% he said from the platform is rubbish, asked me, "what have you got against my friend?" He said it in a threatening tone.

  JW Elder Confesses 50% He Says From The Platform Is Rubbish

  I didn't have anything against his friend but what his friend was saying wasn't Christian.
  
  
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  Ray Franz - Why The Watchtower Cannot Reform

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is me reading a letter ray kindly sent to me in 2008 explaining why the watchtower was not capable of reform.

  the letter is full of wisdom and is very informative.. ray franz's letter to me - why the watchtower cannot reform.

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  Hi Diogenesister - Ray showed such kindness in writing to me. You can see how he was trying to help me to understand. As I put that YouTube together, his words meant even more to me.

  I am glad you like the artwork. It is born out of my incompetence (I can't draw very well) and reflects my keen desire to try and make what I'm saying easy to understand.

  I actually learnt to read when I was unusually young, I learnt through Tintin books because if I couldn't understand the word, at least I could understand the picture in the story. I enjoyed the story so I persisted in trying to read the words.

  Hi Half banana - I am delighted you enjoyed the YouTube. Ray picked out some brilliant quotes of Charles Davis didn't he. I have bought a couple of Charles Davis' books to see what else he said.

  I love the way you describe the organization - yes all this is at the expense of members lifeblood. They are like vampires and its terrible. I never, nor would I ever have gone out on the ministry to trap people into a cult. I went out to take the words of Jesus Christ to those who wanted to listen because I had found them so beneficial. Since realising JWs are a cult I have gone back and apologised to calls. I know others who have done the same. Its an alternative version of pioneering :)

  On the subject of vampires, I don't know if you know that Christabel was an early poem about vampires, written by Samuel Taylor Coleridge. The name Christabel is from Chris and Abel - so the blood of Christ and Abel.

  A while back I found this quote about Christabel, doorsteps and trust :/ What were we involved with?
  

  Secondly, is that one of the attributes that became key to the definition of a vampire is the requirement that they be invited into a home before crossing the threshold. Although vampires did not yet have a notable presence in literature at the time of publication of “Christabel”, we can see some vital evolutionary steps in this text alone. One of the ways in which malevolent supernatural beings might generate trust between themselves and the one whose home they attempt to enter, is through enchantment.
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  Ray Franz - Why The Watchtower Cannot Reform

  by Anna Marina in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is me reading a letter ray kindly sent to me in 2008 explaining why the watchtower was not capable of reform.

  the letter is full of wisdom and is very informative.. ray franz's letter to me - why the watchtower cannot reform.

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  Anna Marina

  This is me reading a letter Ray kindly sent to me in 2008 explaining why the Watchtower was not capable of reform. The letter is full of wisdom and is very informative.

  Ray Franz's Letter To Me - Why The Watchtower Cannot Reform
  
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  Jw`s know where you live , You now need to know where they live .

  by smiddy3 in

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  they come uninvited to your door step and try to discuss bible/wt doctrines with you, and many times or on occasion you do so.. you may even exchange first names with each other , and that is fine if you are happy with that but do you know where they live ?.

  but they have an advantage over you .they know your name and where you live .!.

  you may know there first name but you don`t know where they live .that is the advantage they have over you.. does it really matter ?

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  In one congregation, because a bro hadn't sign the form saying they could have his data, they wouldn't use his name or surname. So what he did some part on the platform, he was introduced as Brother Blank.

  Maybe this is happening in other congregations. If so, even if they know each others names and addresses, they can't tell anyone unless the right forms have been signed.

  The householders are probably safe, so long as they don't sign anything and ideally don't show any interest in the message.
  
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  Did You Think Jehovah’s Witnesses Were Typically “Racists”?

  by minimus in

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  i was a jw from infancy.

  we had a melting pot type of congregation.

  i grew up with all types of witnesses , all with different backgrounds.

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  They are not racist. That's one of the decent things about them. But its only on the surface because to be accepted you have to submit to the GB.

  Therefore, they prove to be anti the Christian conscience of ALL races.
  
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  Did you EVER falsify your report card ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..

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  stan - you learnt all the time counting tricks from the CO. I remember being given a whole new angle on counting time when I worked with someone who served where the need was greater. In Boots buying eye shadow - you can count your time. I think that was a bit extreme. And no she didn't place a tract.
  

  I'll never forget an elder saying to me - "I am just going to support the brothers on the trolley." So he walked up the road, looked at the trolley and went into Specsaver.
  
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  Did you EVER falsify your report card ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  every single watchtower soldier lied to god out of fear of the brooklyn popes..

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  Thinking back - I used to actively under-report. Even if I had done more, I'd just put down an hour and I would try hard not to put my report in unless pestered. In the end I changed my mob no so the group conductor couldn't contact me.

  But I know that the elders would make up time for people who didn't report. They'd pull a figure out of thin air. Any elders (current or ex) posting here care to admit they did that?
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  The jw builders choir omg

  by Gorbatchov in

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  2. friends

  seems like the genesis song jesus he knows me.. g.. https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/?applanguage=e#en/mediaitems/latestvideos/pub-jwb_201910_12_video.

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  Is the subliminal message:

  Not only can you carry buckets of cement but you can also find a date and end up playing drums in a band.